DS:   I think not feeling a sense of belonging as a young brown woman growing up going to major institutions, I knew we needed not only to be supporting more diverse artists, but serious structural change on the inside of institutions. But now, I feel it’s really even beyond hiring for diversity. I’m asking myself how we can shift the ethos of these spaces away from an addiction to productivity and bureaucracy to a more human-centred ethos. We’ve buried the work (artistic expression, creativity) with the ‘work’.

TW:   You’re playing a key role in delivering Destination City, which reimagines the Square Mile as a vibrant, world-leading cultural and leisure destination. What excites you most about the Barbican shaping this vision and how do you see the arts transforming the way people experience the City of London?